[FCDS 2014] Débats sur les notes/Stats Discussions

[Mazzarally]

Still missing as lollo said Giuseppe Fonzi, Luca Benedetti and Riccardo Creel.
Fonzi in the team Yellow Fluo while Creel and Benedetti in the Amore & Vita.
Tiziano Dall'Antonia (Androni) is completely missing from the db (:?:)
Anyway:
As I already said:
Bongiorno is mispellt:
His name is Francesco, not Francisco.
In addition to my oldest stats suggestions, I want to add some other.
Formolo surely deserves a big overall update. He is quite good on TT, too.
He deserves 72 in MO and 69 in TT (and maybe a 7 pot. as Adam Yates?)
Pozzovivo, too.
He is a very valid TTist, expecially in TT with hills or Mountains.
He deserves 72.
I think that Franzoi is biggly overrated in SP.
He deserves 65 both in SP and ACC.
Jon Izagirre is another good TTist.
Maybe he deserves 70-71.
Tom Dumoulin is demonstrating that he is one of the best TTists of the world.
He won Criterium International TT, and he went second at today's TT of TDS.
He deserves 76.
Carlos Verona is one of the biggest prospects for the MO and the classics.
He deserves a 7 PO.
Talansky 7 PO, too.

I was taking a look to the PO table.
Voigt, Petacchi, Evans, Basso, Schleck, Ballan, Hushovd etc. that are old riders have a 7 PO ( )
Horner, although, has a 6 PO and the same for Kroon, Samu Sanchez, Devolder etc.
You will agree with me that this is a bit strange, don't you?
Even though they were all great riders they probably cannot reach the form of a time
Kelderman deserves SURELY a 7 PO as Aru and Svendsen.
Demare probably deserves a 7 PO, too.
Colbrelli should have a higher Hill stat and a 6 PO.
Perhaps 72?
Bettiol is still at 70 HI, he deserves 67-68.
Thomas has 71 SP, while he deserves 67-68.
Van Poppel has too low stats in COB and PRL. He deserves respectively 70 and 74.
Jesus Herrada is still underrated: He deserves at least 73 HI and an overall update.
Engoulvent was upgraded by just 2 points. Now he's 65. Maybe he deserves 67, but he is okay.
Slagter should have a little upgrade in TT and PROLOGUES. Maybe 70-70?

@mede there will be a last update after PCM 14 is on sale?
If not I will release a little modified version of the db with the last suggestions by me, honchar, Jesleyh and the others.


Thank you, I'm sure you'll read this

[Jesleyh]

I was intending to put a Dumoulin suggestion here as well.
Not 76TT though, but rather 75TT and possibly 76PRL. His best results were from prologues, though he's good in longer TTs as well.

Oh, something else, Bovenhuis doesn't deserve 6 pot. 5 is better.
And Arredondo and D.Van Poppel deserve better energy stats.
Also, 70COB for Hesjedal and 68 for Spilak seems a bit too generous. -2 for both maybe?
Leukemans could use 75COB.

Not really sure about Carlos Verona tbh. 6 potential is just fine for him. Never really showed why he should be 7.
Not sure whether Svendsen deserves 7 either, since well, I know about his Vo2, but his results have been lacking a bit lately, tbh since his TT title(Not sure whether Avenir is enough), which was years ago.
You can get nice Vo2 max test results, but they won't help you if you're not getting real results
Slagter rather 69/71 than 70/70 in TT&PRL.
I don't get the 7 potential for oldies either. I mean, they will decline anyway, but still. The current leaders on high potential somewhat makes sense though, because PCM can be a bit random with low potential leaders, but I don't get the oldies

A updated .cdb would be cool, it saves me some quite work

[Mazzarally]

I was intending to put a Dumoulin suggestion here as well.
Not 76TT though, but rather 75TT and possibly 76PRL. His best results were from prologues, though he's good in longer TTs as well.

Oh, something else, Bovenhuis doesn't deserve 6 pot. 5 is better.
And Arredondo and D.Van Poppel deserve better energy stats.
Also, 70COB for Hesjedal and 68 for Spilak seems a bit too generous. -2 for both maybe?
Leukemans could use 75COB.

Not really sure about Carlos Verona tbh. 6 potential is just fine for him. Never really showed why he should be 7.
Not sure whether Svendsen deserves 7 either, since well, I know about his Vo2, but his results have been lacking a bit lately, tbh since his TT title(Not sure whether Avenir is enough), which was years ago.
You can get nice Vo2 max test results, but they won't help you if you're not getting real results
Slagter rather 69/71 than 70/70 in TT&PRL.
I don't get the 7 potential for oldies either. I mean, they will decline anyway, but still. The current leaders on high potential somewhat makes sense though, because PCM can be a bit random with low potential leaders, but I don't get the oldies

A updated .cdb would be cool, it saves me some quite work

Ok, thank you for other suggestions, tomorrow morning I hope I can release a 1.2 Stat update.

[hangri]

Comment noter Yates et compagnie après l'étape d'aujourd'hui ?

[Jesleyh]

Cool Mazzarally!
Don't forget to update the backup stats of those talents I named, since they are kind of shitty right now

And yeah, Yates could use 73 definitely. Maybe even 74, but I don't think so.
Talansky and Kelderman both definitely 75 after the Dauphiné.

[tamalouu91]

Yates mérite mieux an montagne . Van den Broeck a prouvé qu'il marchait fort faut lui laisser les notes tels qu'elle. Nibali pas impressionnant , largement moins que Kelderman alors qu'il est moins bien noté .

[Ondoher]

Yates mérite mieux an montagne . Van den Broeck a prouvé qu'il marchait fort faut lui laisser les notes tels qu'elle. Nibali pas impressionnant , largement moins que Kelderman alors qu'il est moins bien noté .

Le problème c'est que les notes n'ont pas, à mon sens, à être établies, sur la base d'une seule compétition.
Kelderman sort du Giro , Nibali se prépare au TDF, pas forcément la même forme, et sur la base des anciens résultats je mettrais Nibali au-dessus tout de même.

[Mazzarally]

Sorry, FCD.
Yesterday I began to edit 1.2 db, but when I finished to edit all (this morning), I've selected Export to cdb and when I selected the name it told me that he didn't find the file. WTF?!
If someone can tell me how to recover the lost file, maybe in temp files, but I think it is surely impossible...
Anyway, I hope I can reedit all in 2-3 days, but I'm so sad, because I did a very good work on Potentials and new riders
I edited the db with all the users suggestions, including the missing from Jesleyh and honchar, and now is all lost
However I'll try to redo all the work, so, Jesleyh and the others if you can give me other suggestions... You're welcome
Thanks for your patience.
P.S. I downloaded the 1.3 db, I will edit that I will release a new updated version at the end of every WT race, f.e. the first update of this will be released after the Tour de Suisse...

1. To do, Fortunato Baliani retired.

[Jesleyh]

Ouch, shame. Maybe you have used a wrong name(involving '!', spaces or something)

Doesn't 1.3 include our suggestions though?

[Médé33]

Ouch, shame. Maybe you have used a wrong name(involving '!', spaces or something)

Doesn't 1.3 include our suggestions though?

No, i didn't have the time to do it, and now i want to focus on PCM 14. As Mazzarelli told he could do it, i prefered not to do it